What do you mean by optical flow? 3d stereometry?
The AO was pretty clear about how launch costs are managed.https://nspires.nasaprs.com/external/viewrepositorydocument/cmdocumentid=548004/solicitationId=%7BF65A5657-0E72-362E-2D4C-DE87A16A82B7%7D/viewSolicitationDocument=1/NF4%20AO.pdf page 48.You could fly on a 4-meter fairing through ELV Intermediate High for no extra cost, up to an extra $62M for 5-meter fairing ELV High.I don't know how the ELV classes map to Atlas V configuration (the document https://newfrontiers.larc.nasa.gov/PDF_FILES/ELV-Launch-Services-Information-Summary-(final).pdf doesn't say though one could figure it out from the performance plots) and I don't know which config Dragonfly proposed.
Isn’t Atlas V an irrelevance in the time frame we are talking about, rather you should be looking at Vulcan.
I wonder if Dragonfly will be carrying any kind of altitude sensor like radar, lidar or even sonar. For short/medium duration trips off from the surface the IMU would probably suffice, but during EDL how will they know when to release it from the backshell and at which altitude it'll actually be.
Quote from: ugordan on 06/29/2019 06:15 pmI wonder if Dragonfly will be carrying any kind of altitude sensor like radar, lidar or even sonar. For short/medium duration trips off from the surface the IMU would probably suffice, but during EDL how will they know when to release it from the backshell and at which altitude it'll actually be.The DraGMet science package should include a pressure sensor. I'm not sure how useful that would be for navigation, but at the least it should provide a sanity check for other data.
Optical techniques don't sound very reliable to me when it comes to Titan.
Then, flights of progressively increasing duration, range, and/or height can be made, returning to the original, known-safe, landing site. These flights can assess the performance of various sensors—for example, an initial hop may be made using inertial guidance alone, whereas later flights use optical navigation only after the quality of in-flight imaging and the abundance of suitable landmarks on Titan have been verified.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2019 08:19 pm(images with scale model)I believe scale was 1 to 4.
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Dragonfly! Wow! (I think the capital-D, lower case-f is the correct spelling.)The sources I've seen have the mission name as one word.Enjoying the country & western "hold" music before the 5 pm teleconference starts.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2019 08:16 pmLaunch vehicle will be selected three years from launch. Launching 2026, arriving 2034 - with gravity assists.2023 all the new generation launchers should be have enough record of fly in that time, for be eligible...Will see...
Launch vehicle will be selected three years from launch. Launching 2026, arriving 2034 - with gravity assists.
Quote from: Tywin on 06/27/2019 09:12 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 06/27/2019 08:16 pmLaunch vehicle will be selected three years from launch. Launching 2026, arriving 2034 - with gravity assists.2023 all the new generation launchers should be have enough record of fly in that time, for be eligible...Will see...Because Dragonfly uses a Venus-Earth-Earth gravity assist trajectory, the performance requirements of the rocket are modest and well within the current launch vehicle capabilities. As such, there will be a number of launch vehicle options available to select from.
Do we know how the rotorcraft is powered – is that an RTG hanging off the back?
Quote from: Scylla on 06/27/2019 11:44 pmQuote from: Robotbeat on 06/27/2019 11:24 pmQuote from: speedevil on 06/27/2019 10:59 pmQuote from: dglow on 06/27/2019 10:53 pmDo we know how the rotorcraft is powered – is that an RTG hanging off the back?The proposal for this I read a year ago had a RTG.There is little option for a long-term mission on a cloudy cold world.A whole bunch of lithium primary cells works pretty good. As would hydrazine APUs or, even better, bring an oxidizer and use the atmosphere for fuel. Some fellow interns 6 years ago made a proposal for a long duration aircraft that’d last like a week or two using the atmosphere of Titan for fuel.http://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/index.phpUnable to use solar power under Titan's hazy atmosphere, Dragonfly will use a Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (MMRTG), like the durable Curiosity rover on Mars. Flight, data transmission, and most science operations will be planned during Titan's daytime hours (eight Earth days), giving the rotorcraft plenty of time during the Titan night to recharge.Oh sure, just saying there are options besides nuclear. Nuclear is better than those options.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 06/27/2019 11:24 pmQuote from: speedevil on 06/27/2019 10:59 pmQuote from: dglow on 06/27/2019 10:53 pmDo we know how the rotorcraft is powered – is that an RTG hanging off the back?The proposal for this I read a year ago had a RTG.There is little option for a long-term mission on a cloudy cold world.A whole bunch of lithium primary cells works pretty good. As would hydrazine APUs or, even better, bring an oxidizer and use the atmosphere for fuel. Some fellow interns 6 years ago made a proposal for a long duration aircraft that’d last like a week or two using the atmosphere of Titan for fuel.http://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/index.phpUnable to use solar power under Titan's hazy atmosphere, Dragonfly will use a Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (MMRTG), like the durable Curiosity rover on Mars. Flight, data transmission, and most science operations will be planned during Titan's daytime hours (eight Earth days), giving the rotorcraft plenty of time during the Titan night to recharge.
Quote from: speedevil on 06/27/2019 10:59 pmQuote from: dglow on 06/27/2019 10:53 pmDo we know how the rotorcraft is powered – is that an RTG hanging off the back?The proposal for this I read a year ago had a RTG.There is little option for a long-term mission on a cloudy cold world.A whole bunch of lithium primary cells works pretty good. As would hydrazine APUs or, even better, bring an oxidizer and use the atmosphere for fuel. Some fellow interns 6 years ago made a proposal for a long duration aircraft that’d last like a week or two using the atmosphere of Titan for fuel.
Quote from: dglow on 06/27/2019 10:53 pmDo we know how the rotorcraft is powered – is that an RTG hanging off the back?The proposal for this I read a year ago had a RTG.There is little option for a long-term mission on a cloudy cold world.
Quote from: Scylla on 06/27/2019 11:44 pmhttp://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/index.phpUnable to use solar power under Titan's hazy atmosphere, Dragonfly will use a Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (MMRTG), like the durable Curiosity rover on Mars. Flight, data transmission, and most science operations will be planned during Titan's daytime hours (eight Earth days), giving the rotorcraft plenty of time during the Titan night to recharge.Thank you! An AI drone flying with a plutonium tail on a moon of Saturn... excellent. Sometimes it's good to be reminded that we live in the future.I hope they include stereoscopic cameras up front and devote bandwidth to transmit footage Earthward so we may strap on our VR headsets and vicariously tool around Titan.
http://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/index.phpUnable to use solar power under Titan's hazy atmosphere, Dragonfly will use a Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (MMRTG), like the durable Curiosity rover on Mars. Flight, data transmission, and most science operations will be planned during Titan's daytime hours (eight Earth days), giving the rotorcraft plenty of time during the Titan night to recharge.
I have to say I am worried about such a complex machine being effectively in storage for such a long journey. Even New Horizons got taken out of hibernation on its way to Pluto now and again, not something you can do with a drone in a hypersonic aeroshell.I keep hoping some way might be come up between now and then to at least shave sometime off the transit time.
I wonder if Dragonfly will be carrying any kind of altitude sensor like radar, lidar or even sonar. For short/medium duration trips off from the surface the IMU would probably suffice, but during EDL how will they know when to release it from the backshell and at which altitude it'll actually be.I suppose slamming into the ground at high velocity is not that big of an risk in a dense atmosphere, low gravity world, but still I wonder if they'll want to have a more reliable sensor for altitude than integrating accelerometer data.
Quote from: Barley on 06/29/2019 07:27 pmQuote from: ugordan on 06/29/2019 06:15 pmI wonder if Dragonfly will be carrying any kind of altitude sensor like radar, lidar or even sonar. For short/medium duration trips off from the surface the IMU would probably suffice, but during EDL how will they know when to release it from the backshell and at which altitude it'll actually be.The DraGMet science package should include a pressure sensor. I'm not sure how useful that would be for navigation, but at the least it should provide a sanity check for other data. UAVs/drones here on Earth use barometers + GPS for altitude measurements. A barometer alone may suffice if they have accurate models for the density of Titan's atmosphere at different altitudes. So a barometer + radar should be sufficient to estimate altitude and detect the ground. Given how thick the atmosphere is and how low the gravity is compared to Earth, Dragonfly should have plenty of lift and time to make a slow and gentle landing.